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PostSubject: Hein and the 3 Horntails   Hein and the 3 Horntails Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2011 7:09 am

Hey, I'm having troubles defeating Hein Final Form and the 3 horntails x.x

Here are my party member's and LVL :

Zeru : Lvl 81
Antlan : Lvl 80
Serene : Lvl 80
Royke : Lvl 81

Do you have any tips? o3o
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PostSubject: Re: Hein and the 3 Horntails   Hein and the 3 Horntails Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2011 9:51 am

Eh. Once the battle starts , ACT FAST. DEFENSE UP. KILL HEIN FIRST. REMEMBER TO IMMUNIZE , IF U DIED , TRY AGN. REMEMBER TO SAVE. ALOT OF MP POTS FOR IMMUNZIE. IMMUNIZE FOR THE WIN. Than once u defeat hein , attack a head one at a time. but also be quick cause there's a 12 min time limit, good luck ;D And remember once the battle starts IMMUNIZE! if u dun you're screwed on the first turn unless they dun dragon breathe u , darkness possension u ;D
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PostSubject: Re: Hein and the 3 Horntails   Hein and the 3 Horntails Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2011 11:27 am

Er, I guess I'll put my input on this.

First of all, kill Hein himself first. Why? Because if you add one more letter to his name, he'll be named the modern city of Kyoto....okay, screw that.
He has Omega Dragon Crusher, which can hurt bad, and Miserable Fate, which is just plain annoying.
If you need to guard from O.D.C., use Fire Barrier, and remember to cast Immunize the first turn you get in the battle.
Once you kill Hein, the Horntails shouldn't be too bad. Just keep yourself well-healed and bash them up with your strongest attacks. Since Final Hein isn't in the Red World, you can get some Tuna Soups from fishing...I think you can even do the El Nath Dungeon for Insightful, Phantom, Magic Pillar, and Piercer...

If you seriously can't beat him, then just train until level 90-ish. But you should be fine at your level.
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PostSubject: Re: Hein and the 3 Horntails   Hein and the 3 Horntails Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2011 11:36 am

Okay. I'll state this first:

Did You rebirth? If not, follow this:

Requirements for Battling without Rebirth

- Have cooking foods or some strong healing items because FS I characters do not have the Resurrection skill - Tuna Soup/Elixir/Scrambled Eggs
- Have the Final Weapons or the First FS I cast - Obtainable after getting the Final Weapons of the FS II cast if you talk to the crystal in Mirage Island.
- Get the tier 4 skills in El Nath Dungeon (Not required, but it helps)
- Experienced in battling hard battles with the ATB (Action Time Bar) and Knowing when to use which skills.
- Cooked Lobster helps, but not required. (Adds 40% Attack for 4 turns)
- Serene must have HP increase/Mystic Wall/Magic Wall
- Phoenix Feathers
- Holy Water/All cure potions (Helps to have all cure potions more though)

IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THESE REQUIREMENTS, GO TO THE OTHER PART

Before the battle, have Antlan buff you up with haste. Make sure you get 100% SR before the battle. Before the battle, also cast Barrier of Darkness from Serene. Then, in the first turn, cast Aegis Defense (Zeru), Mystic Wall (Serene). If you have the Final Weapons of FS I Cast, then use 99 Slashes of the Ice Dragon (Antlan) and 99 Shots of the Lightning Dragon (Royke). If not, then if you went inside the El Nath Dungeon and finished getting the Tier 4 skills for Zeru, Antlan, and Royke, then use them. The follow up turn, cast Magic Wall (Serene) and then flat out attack on all horntails (kill the middle first because it uses Dark Cover: Ageis Shield). If you have a problem with killing it, kill the left one first because that one debuffs and heals too. If the Horntails use poison life, you can use immunize. Also cast Volt Barrier if Hein starts using lightning-based attacks. Note you can cast Party Barrier of Darkness. In case Serene does get possessed, have holy waters to fix her up.

^ ^ ^ ^ ^
In a senario like this, it really helps to have 2 healers (Zeika & Serene). If you don't have them, let's just hope your tier 4 skills will help you alot more. ^^


Strategy: KILL HORNTAIL FIRST. HAVE A PARTY USE AMULET OF HOPE AFTER HEIN USES DESPAIR: Hei-Ain Stance


If you rebirthed:
- Level must be at least 70 - 80 for Decent speed
- Haste before Battle
- Barrier of Darkness Before Battle
- Elixirs/Scrambled Eggs/Tuna Soup/Cooked Lobster depending on rebirth amounts
Same Strategy. Kill horntails first.
- Decent to best weapon for FS I cast

Buff up like what I said in the first post, go use the same strategy, but you can kill Hein first because he has that annoying Dragon Crusher skill. If you still have difficulty killing him, LEVEL UP + REBIRTH MORE! ^^
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PostSubject: Re: Hein and the 3 Horntails   Hein and the 3 Horntails Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2011 11:41 am

Before wrote:
Okay. I'll state this first:

Did You rebirth? If not, follow this:

Requirements for Battling without Rebirth

- Have cooking foods or some strong healing items because FS I characters do not have the Resurrection skill - Tuna Soup/Elixir/Scrambled Eggs
- Have the Final Weapons or the First FS I cast - Obtainable after getting the Final Weapons of the FS II cast if you talk to the crystal in Mirage Island.
- Get the tier 4 skills in El Nath Dungeon (Not required, but it helps)
- Experienced in battling hard battles with the ATB (Action Time Bar) and Knowing when to use which skills.
- Cooked Lobster helps, but not required. (Adds 40% Attack for 4 turns)
- Serene must have HP increase/Mystic Wall/Magic Wall
- Phoenix Feathers
- Holy Water/All cure potions (Helps to have all cure potions more though)

IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THESE REQUIREMENTS, GO TO THE OTHER PART

Before the battle, have Antlan buff you up with haste. Make sure you get 100% SR before the battle. Before the battle, also cast Barrier of Darkness from Serene. Then, in the first turn, cast Aegis Defense (Zeru), Mystic Wall (Serene). If you have the Final Weapons of FS I Cast, then use 99 Slashes of the Ice Dragon (Antlan) and 99 Shots of the Lightning Dragon (Royke). If not, then if you went inside the El Nath Dungeon and finished getting the Tier 4 skills for Zeru, Antlan, and Royke, then use them. The follow up turn, cast Magic Wall (Serene) and then flat out attack on all horntails (kill the middle first because it uses Dark Cover: Ageis Shield). If you have a problem with killing it, kill the left one first because that one debuffs and heals too. If the Horntails use poison life, you can use immunize. Also cast Volt Barrier if Hein starts using lightning-based attacks. Note you can cast Party Barrier of Darkness. In case Serene does get possessed, have holy waters to fix her up.

^ ^ ^ ^ ^
In a senario like this, it really helps to have 2 healers (Zeika & Serene). If you don't have them, let's just hope your tier 4 skills will help you alot more. ^^


Strategy: KILL HORNTAIL FIRST. HAVE A PARTY USE AMULET OF HOPE AFTER HEIN USES DESPAIR: Hei-Ain Stance


If you rebirthed:
- Level must be at least 70 - 80 for Decent speed
- Haste before Battle
- Barrier of Darkness Before Battle
- Elixirs/Scrambled Eggs/Tuna Soup/Cooked Lobster depending on rebirth amounts
Same Strategy. Kill horntails first.
- Decent to best weapon for FS I cast

Buff up like what I said in the first post, go use the same strategy, but you can kill Hein first because he has that annoying Dragon Crusher skill. If you still have difficulty killing him, LEVEL UP + REBIRTH MORE! ^^

Eh, I managed to kill him with 1RB when they were still a new thing, but Ninja did it with level 70's.

I strongly disagree on the "kill Horntail first" part. Why?
Because I was forced to kill the Final Boss twice, due to a glitch in the game. After I beat him, I couldn't save...I was a GUINEA PIG FOR THAT! D:< You better all thank me...

Anyways, the first time I beat him, I beat him with 3:20 left on the clock.
The second time was 7:40. Difference on the second time?
I aimed for Hein first.
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PostSubject: Re: Hein and the 3 Horntails   Hein and the 3 Horntails Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2011 1:11 pm

It is easier to kill hein first..

I went Kill Hein > Horntail Head A / C > Horntail A / C (whichever one I didnt kill) > then the middle head

I think it I did that because hein uses dragon crusher and hei-an stance (which was annoying)
then next the head that either causes effects or dispels/heals, and then the last one.
or something like that :D
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PostSubject: Re: Hein and the 3 Horntails   Hein and the 3 Horntails Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2011 1:57 pm

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Eh, I managed to kill him with 1RB when they were still a new thing, but Ninja did it with level 70's.

I strongly disagree on the "kill Horntail first" part. Why?
Because I was forced to kill the Final Boss twice, due to a glitch in the game. After I beat him, I couldn't save...I was a GUINEA PIG FOR THAT! D:< You better all thank me...

Anyways, the first time I beat him, I beat him with 3:20 left on the clock.
The second time was 7:40. Difference on the second time?
I aimed for Hein first.

When you killed Hein on the first rb, the damage calculation was higher. :/ I dunno, but my attacks for tier 3 became significantly lower once I got tier 4. ;~; I mean, Serene's comet bolt did 19k ~ 21k last time, then when I got her tier 4, Comet bolt did only 15k ~ 17k. ;~;
Killing Horntail first at no rebirths is actually better. HT can buff itself and heal/debuff you. Without those extra attack points, it's best to attack it's buff (because you're timed) and defbuffers. Because you rebirthed and had 3 mins left, it means a person without buffs would take a lot longer since you have x4 the normal strength for each of your characters.
Ninja did it with lvl 70s, I know that. I did it with level 70s too, but I had to kill HT first because if they put on Dark Cover: Ageis Shield, then you're basically doing 3k damage for 3 minutes because you have to restack your buffs constantly. ;~;

Each dispel means instant death without rebirths. Especially when they can use possession, and the fact that they get 3 turns per 2 turns you get for each character, so if you have one healer (Serene), you won't be able to cast Magic Wall, Mystic Shield, HP increase, and Immunize/Party Barrier of Darkness in time.
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PostSubject: Re: Hein and the 3 Horntails   Hein and the 3 Horntails Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2011 3:19 pm

You really don't need to rebirth. Did you get the new skills from El nath? They help a bunch. Also dont forget to cast your defense skills, or you will be killed easily.
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PostSubject: Re: Hein and the 3 Horntails   Hein and the 3 Horntails Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2011 5:01 pm

If you really want to, then let's have the OP try both ways.
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PostSubject: Re: Hein and the 3 Horntails   Hein and the 3 Horntails Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2011 5:08 pm

NeoFrost wrote:
If you really want to, then let's have the OP try both ways.

OP?
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PostSubject: Re: Hein and the 3 Horntails   Hein and the 3 Horntails Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2011 5:36 pm

Before wrote:
NeoFrost wrote:
If you really want to, then let's have the OP try both ways.

OP?
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PostSubject: Re: Hein and the 3 Horntails   Hein and the 3 Horntails Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2011 7:25 pm

NeoFrost wrote:

Eh, I managed to kill him with 1RB when they were still a new thing, but Ninja did it with level 70's.

I strongly disagree on the "kill Horntail first" part. Why?
Because I was forced to kill the Final Boss twice, due to a glitch in the game. After I beat him, I couldn't save...I was a GUINEA PIG FOR THAT! D:< You better all thank me...

Anyways, the first time I beat him, I beat him with 3:20 left on the clock.
The second time was 7:40. Difference on the second time?
I aimed for Hein first.

Yea... I agree with Neo here. It's perfectly possible to kill him at your level, just keep trying. Eventually you will get lucky at least once, like I did (even though it might take 50+ tries like it always takes me for everything...)
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PostSubject: Re: Hein and the 3 Horntails   Hein and the 3 Horntails Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2011 7:51 pm

21337ninja wrote:
NeoFrost wrote:

Eh, I managed to kill him with 1RB when they were still a new thing, but Ninja did it with level 70's.

I strongly disagree on the "kill Horntail first" part. Why?
Because I was forced to kill the Final Boss twice, due to a glitch in the game. After I beat him, I couldn't save...I was a GUINEA PIG FOR THAT! D:< You better all thank me...

Anyways, the first time I beat him, I beat him with 3:20 left on the clock.
The second time was 7:40. Difference on the second time?
I aimed for Hein first.

Yea... I agree with Neo here. It's perfectly possible to kill him at your level, just keep trying. Eventually you will get lucky at least once, like I did (even though it might take 50+ tries like it always takes me for everything...)
Yeah, it does depend on luck. A LOT of things depend on luck, especially when you're low leveled. :/ Rebirthing is the best way to go in my opinion, but it is kind of slow on the first rebirth.
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PostSubject: Re: Hein and the 3 Horntails   Hein and the 3 Horntails Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2011 7:56 pm

Before wrote:

Yeah, it does depend on luck. A LOT of things depend on luck, especially when you're low leveled.

Unless ur fighting KOU the cheap way...
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PostSubject: Re: Hein and the 3 Horntails   Hein and the 3 Horntails Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2011 8:17 pm

21337ninja wrote:
Before wrote:

Yeah, it does depend on luck. A LOT of things depend on luck, especially when you're low leveled.

Unless ur fighting KOU the cheap way...

Cheap way? The only cheap way I can think of is using Nayu. o-o
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PostSubject: Re: Hein and the 3 Horntails   Hein and the 3 Horntails Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2011 8:54 pm

he means letting him use all his mp
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PostSubject: Re: Hein and the 3 Horntails   Hein and the 3 Horntails Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2011 8:55 pm

myfantasy wrote:
he means letting him use all his mp

I named that Your Way, because that was how you beat him first.
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PostSubject: Re: Hein and the 3 Horntails   Hein and the 3 Horntails Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2011 9:15 pm

Before wrote:
Okay. I'll state this first:

Did You rebirth? If not, follow this:

Requirements for Battling without Rebirth

- Have cooking foods or some strong healing items because FS I characters do not have the Resurrection skill - Tuna Soup/Elixir/Scrambled Eggs
- Have the Final Weapons or the First FS I cast - Obtainable after getting the Final Weapons of the FS II cast if you talk to the crystal in Mirage Island.
- Get the tier 4 skills in El Nath Dungeon (Not required, but it helps)
- Experienced in battling hard battles with the ATB (Action Time Bar) and Knowing when to use which skills.
- Cooked Lobster helps, but not required. (Adds 40% Attack for 4 turns)
- Serene must have HP increase/Mystic Wall/Magic Wall
- Phoenix Feathers
- Holy Water/All cure potions (Helps to have all cure potions more though)

IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THESE REQUIREMENTS, GO TO THE OTHER PART

Before the battle, have Antlan buff you up with haste. Make sure you get 100% SR before the battle. Before the battle, also cast Barrier of Darkness from Serene. Then, in the first turn, cast Aegis Defense (Zeru), Mystic Wall (Serene). If you have the Final Weapons of FS I Cast, then use 99 Slashes of the Ice Dragon (Antlan) and 99 Shots of the Lightning Dragon (Royke). If not, then if you went inside the El Nath Dungeon and finished getting the Tier 4 skills for Zeru, Antlan, and Royke, then use them. The follow up turn, cast Magic Wall (Serene) and then flat out attack on all horntails (kill the middle first because it uses Dark Cover: Ageis Shield). If you have a problem with killing it, kill the left one first because that one debuffs and heals too. If the Horntails use poison life, you can use immunize. Also cast Volt Barrier if Hein starts using lightning-based attacks. Note you can cast Party Barrier of Darkness. In case Serene does get possessed, have holy waters to fix her up.

^ ^ ^ ^ ^
In a senario like this, it really helps to have 2 healers (Zeika & Serene). If you don't have them, let's just hope your tier 4 skills will help you alot more. ^^


Strategy: KILL HORNTAIL FIRST. HAVE A PARTY USE AMULET OF HOPE AFTER HEIN USES DESPAIR: Hei-Ain Stance


If you rebirthed:
- Level must be at least 70 - 80 for Decent speed
- Haste before Battle
- Barrier of Darkness Before Battle
- Elixirs/Scrambled Eggs/Tuna Soup/Cooked Lobster depending on rebirth amounts
Same Strategy. Kill horntails first.
- Decent to best weapon for FS I cast

Buff up like what I said in the first post, go use the same strategy, but you can kill Hein first because he has that annoying Dragon Crusher skill. If you still have difficulty killing him, LEVEL UP + REBIRTH MORE! ^^

I tried getting Magic Pillar for Serene but the boss is too hard :c it kills my zeru before i can even use my aegis defense D:<
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PostSubject: Re: Hein and the 3 Horntails   Hein and the 3 Horntails Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2011 9:25 pm

shikoal wrote:
Before wrote:
Okay. I'll state this first:

Did You rebirth? If not, follow this:

Requirements for Battling without Rebirth

- Have cooking foods or some strong healing items because FS I characters do not have the Resurrection skill - Tuna Soup/Elixir/Scrambled Eggs
- Have the Final Weapons or the First FS I cast - Obtainable after getting the Final Weapons of the FS II cast if you talk to the crystal in Mirage Island.
- Get the tier 4 skills in El Nath Dungeon (Not required, but it helps)
- Experienced in battling hard battles with the ATB (Action Time Bar) and Knowing when to use which skills.
- Cooked Lobster helps, but not required. (Adds 40% Attack for 4 turns)
- Serene must have HP increase/Mystic Wall/Magic Wall
- Phoenix Feathers
- Holy Water/All cure potions (Helps to have all cure potions more though)

IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THESE REQUIREMENTS, GO TO THE OTHER PART

Before the battle, have Antlan buff you up with haste. Make sure you get 100% SR before the battle. Before the battle, also cast Barrier of Darkness from Serene. Then, in the first turn, cast Aegis Defense (Zeru), Mystic Wall (Serene). If you have the Final Weapons of FS I Cast, then use 99 Slashes of the Ice Dragon (Antlan) and 99 Shots of the Lightning Dragon (Royke). If not, then if you went inside the El Nath Dungeon and finished getting the Tier 4 skills for Zeru, Antlan, and Royke, then use them. The follow up turn, cast Magic Wall (Serene) and then flat out attack on all horntails (kill the middle first because it uses Dark Cover: Ageis Shield). If you have a problem with killing it, kill the left one first because that one debuffs and heals too. If the Horntails use poison life, you can use immunize. Also cast Volt Barrier if Hein starts using lightning-based attacks. Note you can cast Party Barrier of Darkness. In case Serene does get possessed, have holy waters to fix her up.

^ ^ ^ ^ ^
In a senario like this, it really helps to have 2 healers (Zeika & Serene). If you don't have them, let's just hope your tier 4 skills will help you alot more. ^^


Strategy: KILL HORNTAIL FIRST. HAVE A PARTY USE AMULET OF HOPE AFTER HEIN USES DESPAIR: Hei-Ain Stance


If you rebirthed:
- Level must be at least 70 - 80 for Decent speed
- Haste before Battle
- Barrier of Darkness Before Battle
- Elixirs/Scrambled Eggs/Tuna Soup/Cooked Lobster depending on rebirth amounts
Same Strategy. Kill horntails first.
- Decent to best weapon for FS I cast

Buff up like what I said in the first post, go use the same strategy, but you can kill Hein first because he has that annoying Dragon Crusher skill. If you still have difficulty killing him, LEVEL UP + REBIRTH MORE! ^^

I tried getting Magic Pillar for Serene but the boss is too hard :c it kills my zeru before i can even use my aegis defense D:<

True, the bosses would be a bit hard for you...

Go try Hein again with our advice.
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PostSubject: Re: Hein and the 3 Horntails   Hein and the 3 Horntails Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2011 9:41 pm

yeah or grind HARDCORE!
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PostSubject: Re: Hein and the 3 Horntails   Hein and the 3 Horntails Icon_minitimeSun Dec 04, 2011 12:25 am

Don't use Ageis. Just flat out attack and ress till the enemy dies.
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PostSubject: Re: Hein and the 3 Horntails   Hein and the 3 Horntails Icon_minitimeSun Dec 04, 2011 6:04 am

myfantasy wrote:
It is easier to kill hein first..

I went Kill Hein > Horntail Head A / C > Horntail A / C (whichever one I didnt kill) > then the middle head

I think it I did that because hein uses dragon crusher and hei-an stance (which was annoying)
then next the head that either causes effects or dispels/heals, and then the last one.
or something like that :D
how the heck can you post at 2:11 am? o_0 oh whateva ppl stay up on the holidays for jobs and out of boredom nowadays
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PostSubject: Re: Hein and the 3 Horntails   Hein and the 3 Horntails Icon_minitimeSun Dec 04, 2011 6:13 am

Hendon wrote:
myfantasy wrote:
It is easier to kill hein first..

I went Kill Hein > Horntail Head A / C > Horntail A / C (whichever one I didnt kill) > then the middle head

I think it I did that because hein uses dragon crusher and hei-an stance (which was annoying)
then next the head that either causes effects or dispels/heals, and then the last one.
or something like that :D
how the heck can you post at 2:11 am? o_0 oh whateva ppl stay up on the holidays for jobs and out of boredom nowadays

And how the heck can you post at 4:04? We live in the US, so our times are a tad different...
And don't diverge from the topic, please...
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PostSubject: Re: Hein and the 3 Horntails   Hein and the 3 Horntails Icon_minitimeSun Dec 04, 2011 6:29 am

sure @Ninja okay okay okay okay okay o_o i know already i know already! im not that stupid o_o


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PostSubject: Re: Hein and the 3 Horntails   Hein and the 3 Horntails Icon_minitimeSun Dec 04, 2011 7:49 pm

Hendon wrote:
sure

Please don't spam. I realize it's your first time, but try not to do it again?

Below are the rules. I would advise you to look at them.

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